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Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Admin on Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:31 am

This week's topic is abortion. Brighton be careful.
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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Brighton Guibert on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:15 am

Why be careful ? Let me say what I think about abortion Laughing

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Admin on Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:30 am

Brighton Guibert wrote:Why be careful ? Let me say what I think about abortion Laughing

I would expect you to do no less. The sharing of varied views helps everyone to understand a situation better.
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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Rosh LOUKOU on Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:38 pm

Ok the day's topic talk about Abortion scratch .

Every people in the world shares a different explanation or position about it.
According me, abortion its a simply form to say IVG in french. It's capacity to interrupt volontary a pregnancy whatever the during concerning baby evolution.

How potential mother can do this ? I'd don't blame or accuse any woman. But, everything can be analyzing or studied. Preliminary discuss with partner is a good thing and conclude by reasonable decisions or positions.

Then, Interrupt volontary a pregnancy extend risks of weak's fecondity or total incapacity. It's a synonym of crime or ritual in various civilisations.

I think that, woman is the best gift in the world. Before make or apply this thing must a briefly thought for all women in the world that can't today give one birth or profit presence babies in their life pale

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Admin on Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:59 am

I know your view is held by many Rosh but I feel too often birth is a result of sex and not of love. Personally I'm all for girls and boys having compulsory injections once they are capable of creating babies which stop pregnancies. I'd maintain this state until a couple decide they want a child but even more than that I'd like "the state" to verify that the couple have the intelligence, emotional and mental stability and the finance and time to adequately bring the child up. A child is a 20+ year commitment which too many parents fail in.
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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Rosh LOUKOU on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:18 pm

Admin wrote:I know your view is held by many Rosh but I feel too often birth is a result of sex and not of love. Personally I'm all for girls and boys having compulsory injections once they are capable of creating babies which stop pregnancies. I'd maintain this state until a couple decide they want a child but even more than that I'd like "the state" to verify that the couple have the intelligence, emotional and mental stability and the finance and time to adequately bring the child up. A child is a 20+ year commitment which too many parents fail in.
Yes Admin it's true.
But, very difficult to evaluate it.
Today mentalities are very different in a long aspect and sometimes move to bad way.

What can we do Rolling Eyes ?
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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by FLEURENTIN Jealex on Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:07 am

Hi,
ABORTION is an fucking crime how you can dead some foetus who din’t ask to come in this cruel world because some precursor didn't be careful, forget some condom or the pills.
Nowadays some people don’t be conscience what a sexes relation without condom can product it’s not just some share pleasure, a baby can to come.
Some contraceptive measure exists but they don’t put in place by certain people or refuse to use them.
So for me so that the abortion will been evit the best contraceptive measure are the daily pills and the condom but you must to use them properly.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Mahiedine Fruchard on Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:36 pm

Hi everyone,

Dear Jealex Razz, you said « ABORTION is a fucking crime » but what is the better situation ? Kill a foetus who is just biological cell or make a baby who probably will be abandoned, or not happy with parents who didn’t want him. I understand your point of view, but abortion in the beginning of pregnancy it’s not a crime. We can talk about abortion in Spain who permit to abord until 14 weeks : in this case this « is a fucking crime ». I respect religious belief ect … But it’s stupid to want more and more children, today it’s important to adopt disadvantaged children than make baby again and again. Besides, before an adoption couple have to prove their "abilities" to be awesome parents not like traditionals parents  Mad .  … (It’s just my opinion).
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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Emma on Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:32 pm

Hello there
For me Abortion is a bad thing to do of course cause is literally a crime and it’s forbidden in some religions I know. But somehow we need to see the whole thing too, in this decade with all that happening currently and the violence that women especially are experiencing the problem is not to decide if abortion is good or not, the main question is how to do to not have to think about actually doing this. young women have to be warn about everything concerning sexuality at a too young age and something need to be done for stopping sexual harassment and rapes cause most of the time abortion occurs when the women are either not ready for having a baby or traumatized.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by FLEURENTIN Jealex on Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:18 pm

Mahiedine Fruchard wrote:Hi everyone,

Dear Jealex Razz, you said « ABORTION is a fucking crime » but what is the better situation ? Kill a foetus who is just biological cell or make a baby who probably will be abandoned, or not happy with parents who didn’t want him. I understand your point of view, but abortion in the beginning of pregnancy it’s not a crime. We can talk about abortion in Spain who permit to abord until 14 weeks : in this case this « is a fucking crime ». I respect religious belief ect … But it’s stupid to want more and more children, today it’s important to adopt disadvantaged children than make baby again and again. Besides, before an adoption couple have to prove their "abilities" to be awesome parents not like traditionals parents  Mad .  … (It’s just my opinion).
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YeSs I understand your position about this, sure it’s just biological cell but as you said after few weeks it’s an embryo and the baby beginning to take form and just because some body know this for me it’s unacceptable.
You said it’s important to adopt disadvantaged children, but lot of persons want a children look like their parent it’s normal so some people which can’t make children are a better place for adopt disadvantaged children.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Agathe NEGRONI on Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:16 am

Hi everyone,

I totally agree with Mahiedine. Too many « unwanted » children are unhappy, abandoned or even worse, abused.. and for me that’s unacceptable, not the abortion. And sorry, but calling abortion a « crime » is not appropriate because a fœtus isn’t a human with a consciousness.
Abortion is for me a fundamental right which is a part of women’s liberation (thanks Simone Veil !) : it is the right which allows a woman HAVING CONTROL over her own body because a woman has the right not to want a child even if she’s pregnant, and I won’t talk about rape cases because it’s even more obvious then…
Look at the countries where abortion is forbidden and considered as a crime, and even in the countries before its legalisation : there are/were abortion too, but these ones are/were clandestine. The consequences of this kind of abortion are disastrous and the women put their life in danger : infections, haemorrhages and other serious after-effects (when it’s not death !). Clandestine abortion causes the death of a woman EVERY 9 MINUTES in the world…
So yes, a couple has to take certain precautions before having sex if they don’t want a child, but shit happens even with a contraceptive ! Rolling Eyes
And yes, abortion must remain an exceptional and thoughtful act but don’t forget that women never abort gladly…

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by CHARLES Denis on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:18 pm

Abortion shouldn't be an issue. So many children didn't have the attention that they deserve... (and so many people arn't capable to be "real parents)

In my opinion an abortion isn't for comfort. It's always difficult for the woman and if she can keep the baby do it, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't do it.
I think that prevention, especially for young people has to be more effective (for exemple in order to make the access to the morning after pill easier) : the more preventions there have, the less abortion would be made...

And for the one who are more conservative and arn't completly pro-abortion, don't forget how many cost social service in order to protect abandoned children...

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Céline Mille on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:58 pm

Hi everybody,
I don't think that abortion is a murder. Like Agathe, I think it's a legitimate right for women, especially when she can't raise a child without a partner, or if it's an accident, or if she's a rape victim. To reduce the number of abortions, we must do prevention, like Denis said. I think it's a good thing that abortion is free in France.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Lauralee G on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:08 pm

Hello,
I totally agree with Céline.I think it is a legitimate right for all women and it is better to stop a pregnancy (before 3 months as in France) rather than having a child who is not wanted. Abortion is a choice but it also depends on the country in which one is and also religions.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Laila Mejnoun on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:34 pm

Hello !
I think that abortion is a right for a women to use it or not. It is about the right of control over their own body and their futur. I agree with Agathe. At the time, when abortion was illegal, women was using barbarian instruments like knitting needle or  spokes in a bicycle wheel or even bleach. A women who doesn’t want to be pregnant, and want abort, will succed by employing methods who can put her in danger. We can talk about « Une affaire de femmes », a movie about illagal abortion in France during the Second World War. The methods employed by these women was very shcoking.
But in the other hand, I think that abortion should not be considered as a method of contraception. Of course if the woman can avoid to use it, it’s better.
Education have a role to play, about prevention and make it clear that abortion have to be used in exceptional situation.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Arnaud H on Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:29 pm

Hi,
You all used a lot of arguments, but one retained my attention :
Agathe NEGRONI wrote:it is the right which allows a woman HAVING CONTROL over her own body because a woman has the right not to want a child even if she’s pregnant, and I won’t talk about rape cases because it’s even more obvious then…

I agree that it's obvious in case of rape ; but I find it less obvious for "normal" case. I don't know if it's right to decide of the life or the dead of her baby (yeah, even before 3 months of pregnancy) just because she has control over her own body. To control her own body doesn't mean for me that a woman has the right not to want a child even if she's pregnant. And I agree with Denis :
CHARLES Denis wrote:In my opinion an abortion isn't for comfort.
As racism, education is often the solution. To abort is very hard for a woman, and I'm afraid that the normalization of abortion makes forget about this pain.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by zonglin on Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:56 pm

Like everyone said, abortion is a murder. At the same time, it’s so bad for women. I think that a part of women will feel anxious and worried before and after the abortion, and that will definitely influence our lives. In addition, induced abortion may make women feel guilty and upset and even lead to depression.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Céline Métais on Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:09 pm

Hi !
The question of abortion is very complex and depends if you consider an embryo as a human being or just as genetic material ...
Like Agathe, I think every woman has control over her body, but also responsible for her choices. I don't think a woman has an abortion for pleasure and take this decision lightly given the consequences of this act. We can't judge these women and tell them to abort or not abort. For me it's a very personal choice which depends on the story and the real-life experience of the person.
I also agree with the majority of you that the education of preventive methods of contraception is primoridial for not getting there.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by kamel khedim on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:19 pm

Hi !

Firstly, thanks Brighton for this subject we love you Smile !
This debate is especially a religious one.
Religion condemns abortion because procreation is a gift from God given to the living being.
Some people can't have children and they're sad of this.
Mister Cox has said the child must be the fruit of love and not sex and I'm totally right with him. That's why, religion condemn fornication and adultery and advises wedding which create more loving and durable relationships. Thus, choice of having children or accident (everything can arrive...) would be seen as a present of God because on the heart of a pious person while
he follows the right everything is a gift of his Creator and a benefit which she/he will realize more later.
This is my humble point of view, you're free to criticizes it Very Happy

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Khiet Bang Nguyen on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:32 pm

Hello everyone!

This subject really interests me a lot. As a Vietnamese, I never took any class of sex education when I was at school in Vietnam. Fortunately, I learned it from my mom, who is a nurse. Because of the cultures differences, most of Vietnameses think that sex is a sensitive subject. So, the teacher, or parent avoid talking about it. I remember when I was 16, there was a guy who distributed condoms in front of my school, most of students laughed at him because they thought that was a terrible job (because it related to sex). Thus, we lack knowledge about safe sex. Consequently, the World Health Organization ranks Vietnam as one of the five countries with the highest abortion rates in the world and has the highest abortion rates in Asia. This is so terrible.

Abortion is not a choice anymore if you overuse it. I will not say that abortion is a murderous choice. In Vietnam, we don't receive grant when we give a birth, which is not like in France. Therefore, most of young couple all choose to do the abortion, they have no money to raise their kids. We all think that, children are gifts from God, so, we have to prepare everything, a house, a job, to give them the best thing.

I don't support abortion, but, I don't blame them either.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Mathilda Joyeux on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:05 pm

Hi everyone!
Abortion is a rather sensitive topic, the opinion are highly varied.
For me, it's a right. A woman can choose to abort or not and it's a chance in France to have this right. But it must be used to a good way, if it's an accident or when the woman was a rape victim. If there is abuse of this right (which is almost used as contraception for some people), it's unacceptable.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by BAH Mamadou Gando on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:08 pm

hello everyone,
Abortion interesseting topic.
I hope I will not attract the wrath of those who advocate abortion, but I am more conservative in some aspects of life and open-minded to others. The possibility of abortion in my opinion and this is only my responsibility is a chance in some situations such as when you are a victim of rape and when there are medical complications for the birth. For the choice to deliberate to abort I am for when the fetus is not yet 4 months past this time I consider that it is a person in its own right so abortion becomes in my opinion a moral crime . I am not for this case but I am not the kind of person who would irrigate against a woman because of the exercise of her right to dispose of her body and to do what she thinks well for her.

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Re: Week 5 - Abortion

Post by Louis Nicolas on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:57 pm

Hi everyone.

I have a rather boring opinion on the subject : abortions should be legal, in all cases, but rare. To me the problem aren't abortions themselves, but what leads women to abort. It kinda baffles me that some people are against abortions even if the mother was raped. The problem in this situation isn't the abortion, the victim has suffered enough. The problem is the fucking rape.

The recent scandals surrounding Hollywood show us that we are still living in a sexist, dangerous world for women. That needs to change.

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