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Nationalism/Patriotism. Do you feel French? European? Terran? Is Nationalism/Patriotism good or bad for the country? Why does it play such an important role in Politics compared to the economy or other areas of importance? What do you think of other countries' nationalism like USA, China, England, N.Korea, Sweden? Is it possible in a mobile global world to say "I am French"?
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Post by SERE Hugo on Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:34 pm

Nationalism or patriotism is human invention, for me we can say "I am french/european/terran" if it's way of recognition.
It's bad and good for country under intensity behind message, it's under point of view. For me and for ewample the nationalism in the message of FN is bad but necessary because we need bad for have good. Other example, national anthem is good because we can recognized identity of country.
For the politic we have diferents levels of nationalism, and we can identified economy, vision with levels of nationalism of political party.
For the others people I just can say it's differents at point of view of political, for example the wall with Mexico and USA for me it's stupid, for the Chin they have now a nationalism less agressive, for England I don't the brexit because I am not english, and for N.Korea they have a political extremely nationalism but they begin to open to the world.
For me it's possible to say "I am french" if it's just for recognition of country not more.

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Post by Angeline Da Costa on Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:06 pm

Hello,

About patriotism I feel mixed. My position is not easy because I am French but also Portuguese. So the most part of my mind is French but not the entire.
I think for a country it's very important to have some patriotism citizens. Because they give everything for the country, they show the French flag, fight for our colors. Otherwise for the economy, we need people more "open" to communicate with other countries. It's a very important part of France because we have got beautiful landscapes. If we are too nationalist we gonna terrify tourists.
I think in other countries they are more nationalist, like we can see in sportif competition. When a sportif win, everybody show the flag of the country. Whereas in France we can see different flags. The reason is : France is a laic country, who accept almost everybody. So a big part of them lives here but doesn't feel 100% French.
But, things begin to change. We can see more people were with the French jersey, or sing the national anthem.

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Post by Philomène Pagnoux on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:00 pm

I think nationalism musn't be used to difference people. I think it is just a way to say " I am from here", but it shouldn't do differences between people. I think nationalism is a good way to bring people of a same country together  but it musn't reject people who want to integrate this nation. I think it is a richness to have people with many differences, like kin differences, or origine differences, or cultural differences, who say " I am French". Diversity is a richness and for me to be French isn't to have been born in France, but to love France and to want to make evolute this nation.
In politics, nationalism play an important role because it is a way to bring people together and a good way to identify himself to a culture. But sometimes nationalism isn't used correctly.. Some people think nationalism is a good way to make differences between people and think that  some people deserve more than others to live a good life. Well, I think nationaism is a good way to know where you come from and to don't lose nation's culture, but there are limits and it musn't be used to separate people.
I think nationalism of other countries like USA or England or N.Korea aren't  like French nationalism but there is because each country has his vision of nationalism, a good or a bad vision...
What's more, for me I can say " I am French" because I live in France, I speak French, I study in France, but I  think and I think many people  can say " I am  French" with differents reasons and we have to accept that because it is a richness.

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Post by Johan Mary on Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:45 pm

Hello John,
Me.. I feel French. Even more since last July 15th  Smile
Unfortunately, I'm not really interested in politics.
Today I find it is a subject that brings tensions because it often derives on racism, religions, origins ...
For patriotism, we see that things change with the sport. Athletes are increasingly proud to wear the colors of their country. But I think that in France you do not see many people with a French flag.
At home, when the team wins is good, but when we lose everyone disappears.
I find that we live in a world where people are very proud of their origins, rather than of their own nationality. But everyone has their own story, we can not remove the past of his family.
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Post by Clémentine Canon on Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:19 pm

Firstly, yes I feel French because I share the values ​​of our republic, which are freedom, equality and fraternity. I am proud to be in a democratic and solidary regime. I am proud to be French because French culture is a mosaic of culture.
Furthermore, I am proud to be French because the history of our country is closely linked to the history of my family, since all the members of my family participated in an event that built the history of France, like the resistance, the world wars, the war of Algeria.

Then, despite the current world that is globalized, identity affiliations are still marked.
I feel that I am European insofar that I want the European Union to be a great world power.
Then I am a citizen of the world because we all have a responsibility to our land, like protecting our land for future generations.

Finally, patriotism is essential for the leaders of our country who must have a passion for the French identity because it is their duty to convey values ​​outside the country, to represent democracy and to protect it. They must continue to export French know-how.

Moreover, the nationalism of other countries like the United States, China, England, North Korea, Sweden are dangerous because the border between patriotism and nationalism is weak. It is therefore dangerous for citizens and people from outside. Nationalism is not the act of protecting values ​​but imposing them, which leads to extremes like dictatorship.

It is possible in a global mobile world to say "I am French" because despite globalization where there is a standardization of certain practices, it reinforces identity particularism.

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Post by Brian Coudert on Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:18 pm

Hello John,
For beginning I can tell you I am French, yes we can say were we come from because it's normal we want defend our country. For example in the sport, in the Olympic games, we fight for our country because we want show to the world what are we capable and "scare them". I think it's good for the country because with the capitalism like the motto "liberté, égalité, fraternité" in France. This allows to the people of the country of belonging to something and to differentiate oneself from others. Like the French patriotism, I think it's good so people do not forget their identity.

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Post by Mathis FARDIN on Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:48 pm

Good evening
First of all, I really don't care about that, in a match, what I care about is to see a beautiful spectacle, not my country win because I don't care about that. If they win, that's ok it's great but that's all.
Whatever the country, nationalism or patriotism is a normal thing, yes I am a bit patriot I think, it's in our school education, but it's not my preoccupation.
I live in France so I respect the country, laws, rules and lifestyle but if tomorrow I live in another country, I'll do the same, take the new lifestyle, new laws, new rules and maybe be a bit patriot for this country without forgetting that I am a French guy because it's my Identity, my education, so I can't deal without.
I really really don't care about politic and all around that so I can't say anything I don't know what to tell you about, and is politic the best exemple of patriotism today?...

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Post by Gaborit Valentin on Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:18 pm

Yes I am french, I was born in French, my parents have french nationalities, I do the duty that the french republic asks me to be French, like vote for the president.
I think is good belonging to a country but it's not a reasons for denigrate the other country.
It's complicated to understand the other nationalisme country because is not a nationalisme where we lives all our life. In the USA bearing arms is OK but in french we don't understand why, it's just because in french bearing was not allowed since long time but in the USA bearing exist during long time.
So we can conclude all nationalism are different but they can all evolve with the time.

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Post by Honorine on Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:51 pm

I think nationalism is important because it allows people to realize that they are a community. Nationalism is good for a country, it is put forward in the same general interest according to classes or groups.
I feel French because I was born in France and I respect the values of my country. I represent my country, each person has a dedication to his country.
Nationalism or patriotism plays an important role in politics, in the economy or in the field of sport.
"I'm French" means a lot of things, we can not really refer to ourselves if we do not respect the values of his country.
The Nationalism of United States or China is not the same, each country does not have the same way of seeing things.

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Post by Marceau Jarrossay on Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:55 am

Hello,

I think nationnalism is good, i'm proud to be french and to live in france. But, many people have not the good definiton of patriotism, they mix., for a lot of french people "be french" is to be white and have two french parents... For me nationnalism isn't that, for me it's mixed of colors and cultures or religions, it's a wealth to have all these things. But in others country like united states it's not the same definition of patriotism they are a lot of problem of racism with this new president. Nationnalism must gather and not separate. I'm for a french with many faces.

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Post by Yohana Dumont on Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:54 am

Hi !
I'm French, but I'm only a human and that I'm French or Spanish or Chinese or America it's the same. But I think, it's not bad for the country because it's important for the governement. And in the sport it's important to represent his country. Nationnalism or patriotism plays an important role in politics, in the economy because we must to respect the values of his country and you have to be proud of that because it's our country.
For me , every country do what they want. And, if the population respect that, it's the principal. After, I prefer my politic as that of some countries like N.Korea.
We can say "I'm French" but it's not necessarily, for me.

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Post by Admin on Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:22 am

Yohana Dumont wrote:Hi !
I'm French, but I'm only a human and that I'm French or Spanish or Chinese or America it's the same. But I think, it's not bad for the country because it's important for the governement. And in the sport it's important to represent his country. Nationnalism or patriotism plays an important role in politics, in the economy because we must to respect the values of his country and you have to be proud of that because it's our country.
For me , every country do what they want. And, if the population respect that, it's the principal. After, I prefer my politic as that of some countries like N.Korea.
We can say "I'm French" but it's not necessarily, for me.

Yohana!

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