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Post by Admin on Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:26 am

Nationalism/Patriotism. Do you feel French? European? Terran? Is Nationalism/Patriotism good or bad for the country? Why does it play such an important role in Politics compared to the economy or other areas of importance? What do you think of other countries' nationalism like USA, China, England, N.Korea, Sweden? Is it possible in a mobile global world to say "I am French"?
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Post by CHAVAGNAT Louis on Wed Oct 10, 2018 11:31 am

This week, that is a difficult subject but very interesting. I am first French and then European. But I think that we can't be a nationalist or a pratriot because they are really two extremes. We should be inspired by these two models to build something better. We value politics because we believe that it can improve our daily lives. In our world, I think we should not be afraid to say that we are French, simply because France is a great country full of richness that must be discovered.

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Post by thomasbrosseau on Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:11 am

hello,
I fell French an I fell European too because I am free to travel in almost all Europe. But France is a melting pot, so nationalism isn't my opinion, because on those days nationalist are racist, they says there are nationalist to change the word but they really are racist, they are against immigration and want to get back strangers on there countries. On the country where nationalism is very present like USA, England or China, people want to feel superior only because they have there nationality. I think it hides an inferiority complex.

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Post by Mathilde BAJON on Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:59 am

Hello,
First, I would say that I’m nationalist in the good way, beacause I’m proud to be French, our culture and history is a source of wealth and I think we have to carry on this culture. Nevertheless, nowadays, politic uses the word to describe a country that is not the real France. Some politicians want to stop immigration and religions coming from others countries but I think that, what make France be unique is the mixing of different populations who live here and we have to be proud of that.

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Post by gaétane soulet on Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:24 am

Hello,
today I am going to talk to you about nationalism / patriotism.
I feel French (because I speak French Smile) and European because I can travel with the problem of visa and other complicated papers. nationalism and patriotism are not dangerous but important because otherwise we would not be in this government and this way of life. But as for other countries like North Korea or China, I personally find that their devotions for their country is a little too marked as a sect or if we can not get out too much. I think that in a global mobile world, we can say "I'm French" because even if at the moment there is a lot of immigration and all these things, we can consider ourselves French for the little that we have live for a number of years with a stable situation (house, work etc ...)

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Post by Chloé Demarville on Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:08 pm

Hello, the day subject is nationalism and patriotism. I feel French beacause I was born in France and I am also proud to be French. We can be proud to be French for several reasons as the history, the success in the sport (for example : the football world championships) or the culture. However, I think that the word nationalism is not adapted in France. Many politicians tell to be nationalist and are against the immigration and are for certain racists.

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Post by Emma Allegre on Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:12 pm

Hello,
Today I'm going to talk about nationalism and patriotism. I feel french, I was born in France, I speak french and I love french food. But I think I'm not a good patriot, I'm not really dedicated to the nation, and I'm not nationalist. I'm proud to be french but I'm not proud about the french system, about decisions and operations of the government. I think the patriotism is not worst for the nation, but nationalism is not good. For the nationalists, for a good development of our country, we have to close our boundary, we have to think to us before thinking of others.
In some countries, I would not be proud to revoke my nationality (like in America, because I can't stand the president).
But actually, it's possible to say "I'm french", it's not a serious mistake

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Post by puech lily on Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:26 am

This subject doesn't inspire me.. So I feel French. For talking about the patriotism for the country, I think it's good if it isn't in abuse. Nationalism of USA, China, etc.. It's more an idealisation, these countries have the leadership in the world so I don't think that is a patriotism's story. Say "je suis français" is possible for me because it's an identity, the place where we were born.

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Post by BREILLAD Enzo on Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:36 pm

Hello
Today we are dealing with a very complex subject. It's hard to speak French so I'll do my best in English ...
From my point of view, France is the country where it is easiest to live because of its tolerance and its ethnic diversity. If we look at the other countries of the globe today we realize that living in a democratic country like ours. The American model is nowadays a little dirty by its leader. And the dictatorships in place in countries like Korea or Somalia make life there very hard.
Yes today I am proud and happy to say "i am french".

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Post by JessieJ on Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:01 pm

Hello Mr. Cox, today I'm going to talk about nationalism.
I feel French by the language, the culture, music and food (bread, pancakes and CHOCOLATINE). I only feel European by the currency and the ease of exchange between the member countries of the European Union.
I think that nationalism is good for the country to a certain extent, for example to the excesses, we find the Nazi ideology which engendered a genocide during the Second World War.
It play such an important role in Politics because I think that important to create a national identity.
For me nationalism in the United States is much more present in France on the part of music, musicals and especially politics. In England, the nationalism are most focused on the Queen. N.Korea is particular because it's a dictatorship and it's an obligation for people to have nationalism. And for China and Sweden I do not think they have a strong nationalism.
It's possible in a mobile global world to say "I am French" because it's our ID card in the eyes of the world.

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Post by Chloé Cardin on Mon Oct 15, 2018 1:00 am

Hey, this week we talk about nationalism and patriotism. I can say that I feel french because I was born in this contry, I travel in french when I was a kid, I lived according to the advantages and the inconveniences of the french systeme. But I can't say that I am a good patriot beacause I hold no interest in the politic. More I feel an european woman because I can order on european website and It arrives very quickly like an french order. So we can travel freely in european country. This subject is difficult... So the nationalism of the USA is very hard, because their system is highly structured. In the actualities there are problems with mexicans, about the politic of migrants.

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Post by louis-charpentier on Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:49 pm

Hey ! I can say i'm french men like brown bear lol! because i was born in this contry i've got travel all around since i am kid. For the question of Nationalism or patriotism i don't know if i am well because i don't hold a lot of interest in the politic subject. For the nationalism on N.Korea i think it's a very mad and a crazy person who governs this country because he kill any person who's oppose to him so for me governs don't have a similarity with kill.
But, you know, I do not think there is a good or bad situation. If I had to summarize my life today with you, I would say that it was first meetings, people who reached out to me, maybe at a time when I could not, where I was alone at home. And it's quite strange to say that hazards, encounters forge a destiny ... Because when we have the taste of the thing, when we have the taste of the thing well done, the beautiful gesture, sometimes we can not find the interlocutor opposite, I would say, the mirror that helps you move forward. So it's not my case, as I said, since I, on the contrary, could; and I say thank you to life, I say thank you, I sing life, I dance life ... I'm just love! And finally, when many people today say to me, "But how do you do to have this humanity? Well I answer them very simply, I tell them that it is this taste of love, this taste that pushed me today to undertake a mechanical construction, but tomorrow, who knows, maybe simply to put myself at the service of the community, to make the gift, the gift of oneself ...
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Post by Admin on Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:42 pm

louis-charpentier wrote:Hey ! I can say i'm french men like brown bear  lol!  because i was born in this contry i've got travel all around since i am kid. For the question of Nationalism or patriotism i don't know if i am well because i don't hold a lot of interest in the politic subject. For the nationalism on N.Korea i think it's a very mad and a crazy person who governs this country because he kill any person who's oppose to him so for me governs don't have a similarity with kill.
But, you know, I do not think there is a good or bad situation. If I had to summarize my life today with you, I would say that it was first meetings, people who reached out to me, maybe at a time when I could not, where I was alone at home. And it's quite strange to say that hazards, encounters forge a destiny ... Because when we have the taste of the thing, when we have the taste of the thing well done, the beautiful gesture, sometimes we can not find the interlocutor opposite, I would say, the mirror that helps you move forward. So it's not my case, as I said, since I, on the contrary, could; and I say thank you to life, I say thank you, I sing life, I dance life ... I'm just love! And finally, when many people today say to me, "But how do you do to have this humanity? Well I answer them very simply, I tell them that it is this taste of love, this taste that pushed me today to undertake a mechanical construction, but tomorrow, who knows, maybe simply to put myself at the service of the community, to make the gift, the gift of oneself ...
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2-bXTl1-mo]

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Post by Fontaine Emma on Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:54 pm

Hello ! Today I'm going to talk about nationalism and patriotism. First of all, I'm feel French, because France gave me a lot of emotions. For exemple, I'm proud to support the french national team in the football or the rugby. Then, the nationalism/patriotism is good for the country but there are limits has not to exceed. The patriotism is good because it's important to gather the people under a common identity. It can move closer and can allow to help. In the second time, the patriotism or nationalism is bad, because certain people have extreme thoughts and they use this feeling for the politic movement, what mixes everything. This feeling are a place very important in politics, some politics uses that to make their program pass. In this other country, like USA, China, England, or North Korea, the nationalism is very present and important, because they use it to feel superior.
I think, it's possible for all the french people say "I'm French", because when there are a terrible moment like the attacks of terrorist or a beautiful moment like the world cup of football, the French people gather.

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Post by Clementiine on Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:40 pm

Of course I feel French. We are in a country with many rights and we are lucky. Patriotism and nationalism are two differents things. Both have their qualities and their defaults. In France nationalism is representative of the right in politics and patriotism, more of the left. So there is the rest of the policy that follows these ideas, whether in economics or other important areas.
In other countries such as the United States, I find that patriotism seems more present, in their daily lives it appears that it is with the flag of the United States or in their culture. In China patriotism is not as blatant as in the United States, the same for England or North Korea ...

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Post by Kévin PUIGELIER on Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:14 pm

Hello John, for me I am French however I think that in France this subject is a big problem because with our new president of many inequality, the rich for example are much more advantageous than the poor. Moreover, with all the immigrants we welcome many people have a hard time accepting them which creates conflicts. For me I think that in some countries this subject is better treated but perfection will never be achieved!

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Post by Lila.Michaud on Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:38 pm

Hi John, I think this subjet is very important in our society nowadays. I guess patriotism is necessary to a certain degree, we can be proud of our country for his culture, politic, way of life, ... because it's not a bad thing. However, it can fast degenerate like we have seen during some big events like a football game where a big fight start between supporters of two teams (Colo Colo and Santiago Wanderers). People want so much that their team wins that thez forget it all the values of sport like respect, solidarity, team-spirit, ...
In conclusion, I will say patriotism/nationalism can is benefit for people, but he must be controlled.

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Post by Maxime Boisson on Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:53 pm

Hi, this sujet is very compicated and I don't have really an opinion but I know that you should not worry about that and live your life and lot of love for everybody. When you say "I'm French" it's strange besace this phrase is full of prejudice because when you say that you are white, with a good situation but it's wrong because more people are French and love this country

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Post by Maxence Mathieu on Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:44 pm

Hi everybody, this week, the subject is very difficult because it's politic. Patriotism and natinonalism are two extrems side. First, I feel french and european, and I think that those two extrem are important for the country but in little part.

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Patriotism and nationalism

Post by Alex MOLIN PRADEL on Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:53 pm

Today, I'm going to talk about patriotism and nationalism.
I think when general patriotism and nationalism is good to weld a population and increased fraternity. But if nationalism is used in excess, as for example by Donald Trump in the United States, it has the effect of creating tension between countries. For my part, I am proud to be French.

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