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Post by Admin Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:13 pm

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Here are a couple of stories from the BBC today, I'd love to hear your comments:

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British sarcasm

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Post by Jeremy Massonde Mon Jan 14, 2019 10:05 am

For the prison sentences subject, I think this is a huge mistake.
I know there is no places in jail but, how do you think it might be a good idea to do that?

People will think they can commit mischief without reprimanding.
Feeling safe is very important in a society and even if it is not crime, it's mischief which that bothers people's lives the most...

What's your opinion John ?
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Post by Hagar Sousa Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:28 am

Hello John !
I'm really sorry, I didn't know that we have to discuss a topic this week, I thought it was only the presentation we have to prepare for this week.

1- " Short sentences are too often ineffective, provide little opportunity to rehabilitate offenders and lead to unacceptably high rates of reoffending." This is really scary. I mean we all do mistakes and being punished by people who have these thoughts is really scary. I think that prisoners can be rehabilitated if the prison is providing them what's necessary to them. The idea of a prison is to rehabilitate. So if a certain sentence is "not enough" to do so, then it's the government's fault. every prisoner should have a rehabilitation program to match the degree of the crime he's done...
Actually, this reminds me of a movie called "Papillon" that Ive seen in the plane on my way to France haha. It's cool.

2- I know that the British sarcasm is hard to understand sometimes ahah AND IS VERY DARK, OFFENSIVE AND EVIL. But yeah, that's how sarcasm should be.. :'D

3- What is wrong with the world !! Can't people make the difference between reality and movies? Sandra Bullock is supposed to "survive" in the end wearing her blindfold. We aren't. Because, we aren't part of the movie. Thaaaanks. Bye.

Have a good day, John !
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Post by Andrea AROSTEGUY Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:12 pm

Hi,

I'm really shocked that people are imitating this film ... Are not they aware that it's extremely dangerous for them as well as for all the drivers on the road? I think I have lost faith in human being... Sad
I think I will watch the movie soon in order to try to understand why people can do this.
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Post by Julia Padiou Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:53 am

Hello everyone Smile

I've read the three articles but as I'm a movie lover, the last article is the one that shocked me the most.
How can people behave so stupidly? I can understand that after watching a movie you want to embody the characters. I admit that when I was younger I wanted to have swords and bows and act like Aragorn, Arwen or Legolas in the Lord of the Rings as i'm a HUGE fan but I was young and I would never done it haha. People are normally able to make the difference between movies and reality otherwise there would be a big problem ! I've not watched this movie yet but as Andrea said, I will watch it !! It's like everybody is acting like kids who are not aware of the danger and who are fearless .... WAKE UP PEOPLE, THE JOB OF ACTORS IS TO ACT, PLAY A ROLE confused confused confused No Suspect Shocked bounce
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Post by Nardin MARZOUK Tue Jan 15, 2019 3:28 pm

Hi Everyone,

I think for the prison issue that they are not solving the problem but in stead it might get worse. Prisons should implement rehabilitation programs adapted to each period of sentence in prison. On the other hand, I got to know that in some countries like Brazil & Italy, prisoners can shorten their sentences by reading books! I think this quite innovative and better for the prisoners and the society as well.
here is a very short article about it : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/9356129/Brazil-prisoners-reading-books-to-shorten-their-sentences.html
Have a nice day!

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Post by Narimane Ayad Tue Jan 15, 2019 11:03 pm

Hello everyone,

1.  I think that prison should be the place for punishing those who made something wrong in a violent way, such as killing people, raping,..etc...But for those who commited "light crimes" such us rabbery and drogue addiction, they should be put in rehabilitation centers instead of spending a period of their time with dangerous categroy of people who can turn them to the worst, which could affect their socialisation with the rest of the world.
Meanwhile, such decision could encourage criminals to re-offend, that's why it's very important for the Government to set specific laws in this framework.

2. Actually, British people are so polite, that even when they want to insult you, they do it in a elegant way ! Sometime, I can even tell you that I appreciate their sarcasme better than the americans' insolence !

3. Seriously, I can't believe it! How idiot they are to respond to this idiot challenge!!! They are insane, with no sense of intelligence ! I's very chocking and it makes me angry to see how pepole (mostly american youth :/ ) could be "brainless"!!!!!! confused confused confused confused confused confused confused Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Nolwenn Lautredou Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:08 pm

Hello guys,

Sorry I was working a lot with Florine for our wonderful future presentation in class.

I think there is a lot of things to change in prisons. But changes sentences duration makes no sense.
I didn't know about the books to reduce the sentence Nardin! I think it is really great to make the culture available among prisons because it is always important to evolve and keep learning things everywhere we are.

I watched Birdbox last week so I can figure out better what happened in the US. I didn't expect that someone could think about reproducing this driving. It's seems crazy.
I've heard about kind of the same story few years ago with the release of the move : Nerve. It is the story of a fictive game between Pokemon Go and Periscope. People has to record themselves doing challenges to keep playing. A lot of medias made negative critical about this movie saying that it could give bad ideas to teenagers in the real life. Indeed, we can see the protagonist crossing a big gape between two building on a ladder. Well, all this to say that movie makers has to think a lot about what they are broadcasting. Especially when the target audience is constituted by teenagers who are easily influenced by what they watch.
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Post by ClémentJaunay Wed Jan 16, 2019 9:48 pm

1. I am totally against the actual prison concept. Like my comrades said, we should do our best to rehabilitate people, to give them the education they (maybe) didn't get. A human is still a human, so in good conditions, everyone can become a better person. I know it would be expansive to give to prisoners great living conditions, but we would have far less recidivism, like the Scandinavian's model proved.

But that would also be a mistake to let them go just because this is a short sentence. The should have another condamnation. Not jail, but something made to rehabilitate them in the society, to help them if they need it.

2. You are the best example to prove that British people are not sarcastic, John... Wink (with some french irony) But, I think I would have answer the same things that americans picked. Because this is not their culture (or our), they don't have the keys to interpretate it correctly.

3. In two words, and it worth it for every stupid challenge: Natural selection.

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Post by Matthieu Morisset Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:54 am

The prison system seems to be a headache for many countries. Like in France, light sentences tend to not being hardly punished anymore. I'm a bit worried about that point cause an offense is still an offense. Once again, it's a side effect of the overpopulation. That said, the only thing we can do is to do more and more effort to educate our countries.

As for British sarcasm i think it's kind of true. At least it is seen as sarcasm because the meaning behind a sentence isn't the same for a British native that for anyone else.

I saw that. I was like ... Man the world is damn crazy ! I told myself, god what we will happen when Black Mirror will release it's next season. I also ask myself: is that the future ? People won't be able to tell the differences between reality and fiction anymore ? Quite alarming !
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Post by Vincent Balthazar Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:25 pm

Jeremy Massonde wrote:For the prison sentences subject, I think this is a huge mistake.
I know there is no places in jail but, how do you think it might be a good idea to do that?

People will think they can commit mischief without reprimanding.
Feeling safe is very important in a society and even if it is not crime, it's mischief which that bothers people's lives the most...

What's your opinion John ?

I not agree with you, you could give general interest work to raise awareness about what they did... But for some cases it's difficult. In France, I don't even remember if it's Anne Hidalgo or Marlène Schiappa saying that, but she wants to give general interest work in LGBT association for those who committed homophobic agression. In this case, I don't think it's a good solution, they will were homosexual people live and maybe they will return back later to be violent against homosexuals.

What about death sentence ? I think it's not a good idea. Some people aren't afraid by death and in my opinion I think it's more painful to them to be alive than dying. Indeed, often in jail their is a kind of institution, with a hierarchies of the crimes. If you're au raptor, others prisoner will be bad with you because of your crime. Everybody in the jail know the existence of these acts, but nobody say nothing because it's considered as "fair".

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Post by Admin Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:58 am

As students about to enter the big world of work, what do you think of this?:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-47092727/did-finland-s-basic-income-experiment-work
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Post by Marion.LM Mon Feb 04, 2019 12:12 am

Admin wrote:As students about to enter the big world of work, what do you think of this?:

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-47092727/did-finland-s-basic-income-experiment-work

Hi admin,
I can't read the video in the article, but I love the subject !
This article is very interessing but, in fact, it's a big question......I don't have the answer !!!! I think about it since a long time.....
In our society, I think that there are people that can't working (they don't have the "psychologic stability" to have a job) and people that don't want working (because they have the "slackness" to work).
I will continue with two examples and my personal experience.

First example, a person in my family can't working, when I spoke about "psychologic stability", I was thining about her. She lived during 10 years with "state aid"....But she never works...I think she doesn't have the capacity (like a disease). She began to work the last as a teacher (at 35 years old), but she only work 6 month on 12 month (she can't more, too hard for her). What is the solution for her ? She is totally in her world (cut of the society since 10 years). I think for her, the basic income could be a good solution because she will never work like another people ; and if we "force" her to work, she will be in "sick leave".

Second example, I have a friend who doesn't want working...."I don't like constraints" he said me. He has the totally "psychologic stability" to work but he doesn't want because he prefers drawing. I love my friend but, when I see people who work 40 hours per week "to win a misery", I think it's disgusting. I can't compare with me because I never work like a real employee....I believe he has "state aid" but I don't want to ask him (He could have the impression that I juge him, and I try to not do it). What is the solution in this case ? I don't know because he seems very happy in this lifestyle....The only thing I want it's that people are happy  bounce

To conclude this post, I will speak about me. My main question today is what I going to do the next year ? I would like to continue my studies because I have lots of things to learn and I don't want to be "closed" in a job or in a company. I will lose my freedom if I work, the freedom is my only reason to live... I don't know what I going to do in the future....I don't know if it will be a job marketing or not...but the only thing that I know it's that I need time. I need time to discover others things, I need time to know what I am able to do, I need time to think, I need time because, the only thing that I know it's school. In my situation what is the solution ? A basic income will help me to find the solution, will help me during this "time". I know it's disgusting for the other but I know that if the state doesn't give me this time, I will be unhappy.

So I exposed you several situations and the same question : I don't have the solution. The main question is : In our society, States has to adapt at each personal situation ? Or each person has to adapt at the society, even if they are unhappy...

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Post by Admin Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:01 pm

You make good points and you give great examples Marion but isn't there a question or two before any of those?

For example:

Whose responsibility is the individual? Should the individual take responsibility for themselves (and if so at what stage and until what stage?- I don't say age as you may think age is less relevant than other criteria.) Should individuals be the responsibility of their families? Or their communities? or the state? or the world?

Your answer would then lead to other questions I think.

If, in the end, you see the state as the safety net (as we tend to do in the West) we need to think about whether we should differentiate different cases - like the two examples that you gave - and if we should, how we should handle different cases.

I must admit that I sometimes get frustrated when I think how much I work for the small recompense paid compared to how little some others work or how much some others get paid. I have a problem seeing the justice and fairness in our advanced civilisation's system.

Sadly I have to get off to class so I'll leavr this here for anyone who wishes to pick up the baton.

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Post by Marion.LM Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:16 pm

Admin wrote:You make good points and you give great examples Marion but isn't there a question or two before any of those?

For example:

Whose responsibility is the individual? Should the individual take responsibility for themselves (and if so at what stage and until what stage?- I don't say age as you may think age is less relevant than other criteria.) Should individuals be the responsibility of their families? Or their communities? or the state? or the world?

Your answer would then lead to other questions I think.

If, in the end, you see the state as the safety net (as we tend to do in the West) we need to think about whether we should differentiate different cases - like the two examples that you gave - and if we should, how we should handle different cases.

I must admit that I sometimes get frustrated when I think how much I work for the small recompense paid compared to how little some others work or how much some others get paid. I have a problem seeing the justice and fairness in our advanced civilisation's system.

Sadly I have to get off to class so I'll leavr this here for anyone who wishes to pick up the baton.


"I must admit that I sometimes get frustrated when I think how much I work for the small recompense paid compared to how little some others work or how much some others get paid. I have a problem seeing the justice and fairness in our advanced civilisation's system."
=> If I can transpose your frustation at my student experience, I have the same feeling. I am frustrated when I work in group (and I do the big part of the work) and other people have the same mark as me. I know it's not a salary but a mark ; as a student a mark or a salary is the same.... Me too I don't see justice....When I see students who study less as me (I work a lot because I need time to understand my lesson) and have a better mark as me....it's hard to accept... me too "I have a problem seeing the justice and fairness" in our advanced education's system... Sad

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Post by Admin Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:33 pm

As our English gets closer to the end. Here are two news stories that I thought worthy of discussion this week:

Liam Neeson good or bad?

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47117177

The Catholic church admits: good or bad?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47134033
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Post by Marion.LM Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:57 pm

Admin wrote:As our English gets closer to the end. Here are two news stories that I thought worthy of discussion this week:

The Catholic church admits: good or bad?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47134033

I will speak about "The Catholic church admits: good or bad?". We have to know that there are lots of sexual slavery in our society. In my naive vision, sexual slavery is very limited because I never see this "kind of situation".
"culture of silence and secrecy" => I think it's not only in the religious area. It's in all situations of sexual slavery or sexual harassment.
"The Catholic church admits: good or bad?". The admission is a "first step" but the question is : after the admission ? What is the proposition to help "bruised people" ? What is the solution to avoid other sexual slavery ? Lots of person denunce or admit lots of things but we never heard about the package after the admission.

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Post by Marion.LM Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:11 pm

Admin wrote:As our English gets closer to the end. Here are two news stories that I thought worthy of discussion this week:

Liam Neeson good or bad?

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47117177


Hard question......I don't know if it's a question of "racism" or only a question of "revenge". I mean a "revenge" because a person hurt a person in his family circle. So it's "racism" ?
I will be honnest if someone hurt a person in my family, I admit that I will become very unpleasant...because my family is all I have...
I think if a "blond guy" rape my sister, each time that I see a blond guy, I will say me "oh, maybe it's the person who hurt my sister"....

I don't know...

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