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Post by Admin Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:47 am

Donald Trump? Bernie Sanders? The Bush dynasty? Elections past, ObaMa's legacy? A woman in the White House (not Monica!)? Cruz the Evangelist? Sanders is actually left wing..... Write about whatever takes your interest.
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Post by Pierre Laurend Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:23 pm

Hi everyone, to start the discussion on the policy of the United States obviously I'm going to talk about the presidential elections of November 8, 2016. Having no knowledge in politics and even less on the United States, I see myself badly express my preference for a candidate ...
To run for US presidential elections must be aged at least 35 years old and have resided for the last fourteen years in the US

The major candidates in this election are:

Democratic side: Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders

Republicans side: Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Jim Gilmore, John Kasich, Marco Rubio, and Donald Trump

Libertarian side: Gary Johnson

Independent of any party: Michael Bloomberg, Jesse Ventura

We can see that Barack Obama is not standing for it has already made the maximum number of mandate in the United States: two

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Post by Nathanaël Boucher Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:01 pm

Hello everybody.
I 'm not familiar enough with politic in United States.
I’m going to tell you what I know about candidates for presidential elections.

Donald Trump is a Republican candidate. He is billionaire but it’s common in United States.
He looks like very charismatic but also extremist when he wanted to prohibit the access to Muslim in United States including students because of the attack committed by a daesh couple.
He is Fire weapons partisan

Jeb Bush is the bush dynasty heir he is a republican candidate. He is for a military presence in Syria.

Bernie Sanders is a democrat candidate. He participates as independent of the Democratic primary. He is a socialist man. He wants to increase tax of Wealthy people and companies, the minimum wage. He wants to make the University free.
He is not a finance friend.

Hilary Clinton is Bill Clinton wife, she is a democrat candidate. She is popular in different states. This popularity shows that Americans are to open to elect a woman at the white house head.

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Post by Lilian LIEVRE Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:04 pm

Hi everybody,

US politic is such a huge topic nowadays (and i'm not enough expert to write you a book of US politics but i'll try to speak about it) . We are today at less than one year of new presidential election. This time, it's sure : Obama going to leave the White House (he already has made 2 mandates).
So, american people have to elect the 45th president of US !!
However, the choice going be hard. 8 candidates are running for presidential election ( 2 democrats, 6 republicans)

For me there are two potentials winners that are running for this "hard fight" :
- Hillary Clinton who is one of the two democrats candidates and Bill Clinton's wife. Actually she already know the White House and will not have troubles acclimatizing to her new house (Maybe it's a crucial point ??? I don't think so). Let me introduce you to some majors point of Clinton's election program : intensify war against islamic state, regarding the public health regulation she want to make easier access to medical treatment, tax reduction for small companies to reduce unemployment...

- Donald Trump, a American business man, running for republican side. Atypical character, Donald Trump is a serious candidate to presidential election. Let me present you some majors points of his election program : illegal immigration is one the biggest point of Trump's program, for example he want to "build a wall to stop illegal immigration from Mexico to USA", he want to allow possession of firearms, regarding environmental program, Trump told "the concept of global warning was created by chinese to make our industry less competitive".... For me this candidate is more famous because of his escapades than his political program.

Let's talk about it in one year ....

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Post by Jérôme Guichard Sat Feb 13, 2016 4:46 pm

I don't think Donald Trump will be the legitimate candidate for the republican side, the Senator of Texas Ted Cruz will probably be the real opposant of the democrates. In my opinion Trump is just here to play his gross character for attract some rednecks who aren't really concerned by politics and who are not used to vote.

The results of Bernie Sanders are really interesting in my opinion. In a country where "socialist" is nearly an insult he's trying to set up a welfare state in USA like we can have in Europe. Those kind of ideas were really demonized in USA before the financial crisis and it's interesting to see the change in citizens minds about interventionism.


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Post by Jean Dufour Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:35 pm

I think that even if Trump can reach the presidential election, the americans are not crazy enough to elect him. But even if they don't, this guy has a very bad influence on a large part of the population. Every crazy red neck of this country can now assume that what he thinks about migrants, muslims, women... is the good way to do it ! Trump is a racist, sexist, intollerant senator.
But it's still reassuring to see that there is more and more people who wants to vote for Bernie Sanders. His idea of making the university free for the students is, for me, the next step of the progressist policy in USA.
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Post by Jordan Cantet Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:26 pm

Hello everybody,

Concerning the US politics, a specific point about the presidential election drew my attention : Some american voters feel weariness about candidates like Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. They are bored to see again the same families fighting to attain power (Clinton, Bush).
I think this lack of change in the political class is a part of the explanation concerning the emergence of Donald Trump. However it’s quite hard to say if american voters are considering Donald Trump as a real competitor or simply as a showman...

Finally, I share the opinion of Jérôme about Bernie Sanders. The dynamic he created with his ideas is really interesting, especially in a country where capitalism is almost a religion.

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Post by theo.mouton Tue Feb 16, 2016 11:05 am

As I didn’t really follow the schedule of the elections and I don’t know deeply the ideas of the candidates (even if it’s not so complicated to have an opinion on Donald Trump), I’m going to talk about how the elections in United States work, because it can be a bit complicated.

In order to be elected in USA, you have to gain the majority from the Electoral College. There are 538 presidential electors, so you have to gain 270 votes if you want to become President.

Presidential electors are elected by all the American citizens. There are 538 presidential electors because 438 are elected through each State (and some states are more important because they are more populated - the campaign is very different between all states, and some states are keys that are needed). There are also 100 senators, 2 per state.

In USA, you can be elected even if you receive fewer votes than the other candidate: it’s because the voting system is very weird. The different states can choose their voting system. For example, some use the proportional representation, and some others use the majoritarian representation. That’s why some states are more important than others, and that they are the targets of the different candidates.  

For 2016, there is still a bipolarization of the campaign: Democratic Party (Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, more socialist – if we can imagine socialism in United States, which is not that obvious) vs republican party (it’s a bit a mess for the moment here, there are a lot of candidates for the presidential primary).

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Post by qgagnadr Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:39 pm

Hello everybody,

I choose for this topic only a little part of the election : Why the democrat Bernie Sanders is the idole of the young US population ?

Bernie Sanders is 74 years old. We can say that he is very old. But he is supported by the young us population. In fact, for the democrat primary in the Iowa, he won 84% of votes for the category : 17 to 29 years old. This is huge. His competitor, Hillary Clinton can be afraid by this score. Even if she won this primary.

In fact, the program of Bernie Sanders is targeted on the free university. In order to help the poor people. But for him, its also important to legalyze the cannabis.

For exemple the Red Hot Chili Peppers have sung in order to earn money for Bernie Sanders.

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Post by Laura Boutant Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:31 pm

Hello everybody,

I choose to speak Bernie Sanders because it's interesting. Indeed he's old and he has completely radical ideas to the US. How strange it's started to enter politics at the age and with this issues. In fact, he doesn't ant his electoral compaign was financed by rich people. There is also that he wants the people to go to college without money problem.

I think he's trying to get noticed withrespect to other candidates. It probably represents a threat to other candidates as it's supported by many young people. It represents a different vision and young people seem to desire for. Indeed, many people aren't satisfied with the mandate of Obama. That's why he turned to the people who propose more radical solutions lie Bernie Sanders or Trump.

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Post by WEI DAI Wed Mar 02, 2016 1:07 am

I know nothing about americain politics until I see thisi video Laughing , it's freaking funny ! So I recocommend it to you guys. It's about an americain from China ridicule the americain politics. He has a accent but there is subtiltle. Hope you'll enjoy it.

President Obama is always accused of being too soft, but he was conducting two wars and they still gave him the Nobel peace prize and he accept it! <one of my favorite jokes Smile >

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Post by Matthieu Godet Tue Mar 15, 2016 7:09 pm

Choosing between a mummy, a racist & misogynistic applicant well it's not enough.

We can choose between Cruz or Clinton also, I guess Clinton has the leadership actually.

Americans changed their trend (and their mind !) for the last two mandates by electing the black guy of the "yes we can", so why not a woman ?

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Post by Alice Chalard Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:57 pm

Hey guys,

So after the last "Super Tuesday", Hillary Clinton and Trump are the two winners of the night. Trump gained 152 new delegates against 26 for M. Cruz, 75 for Kasich and 5 for Rubio, who gives up. For Trump nothing is done yet. On the contrary, according to the New York Times, Hillary Clinton will won the nomination. Actually, the task is getting really complicate for Bernie Sanders who will have to win each next appointments with 42 % and 58 % if he wanna win against Clinton, it's nearly impossible. I'm interested in politic but I don't have a lot of knowledge about american politic. I will just give my own opinion that I built from articles I red.
I'm not sure that the expected victory of Hillary Clinton against Bernie Sanders is a good thing for the future. Indeed, she doesn't have the vote of the youth, the independants, the male electorate... And i'm afraid it won't be enough against Trump, if he win. She really has to do something with Bernie Sanders who also has good ideas for the youth and the future of the country (as I agree with Jean and Jerôme) in order to have a bigger electorate. Because if a lot of people think that Donal Trump is just here to play a role, he is racist and mysoginous he is really serious and he has a huge electorate composed by social class that we don't necessarily expect. People are afraid and also easy to afraid with the migrant situation and the IS...
The victory of Trump in The Republican side may not be a surprise as we can see the worrying emergence of the far right party in France and in Germany during the regional election in 3 Länders, last Sunday.

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Post by JulietteLegrand Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:28 pm

Fact of the day:

Donald Trump pronounce himself against abortion in an interview on MSNBC, he declared that if abortion became illegal, women who would resort to it "should be punished"...
Donald Trump defended the abortion first, and then getting closer to the republican doxa and saying himself " pro life " (against abortion). In the United States the abortion is a real problem, states aren't on the same side, some are against and other are for it.
Donald Trump provocs medias with that kind of reflexions during the race in the nomination, and the worth (to me) is that people will vote for him due to those reflexions. WIth Donald Trump women are belittled, and with subject this is rights of women wich are compromised. Just by looking his wife whom he used as a figurehead. On social networks Donald Trump responds to critics from Ted Cruz by a comparison of his wife and the wife of Ted Cruz. Donald Trump defends the values of the family, what is comical in this, is that Donald Trump is on his third marriage.
After being lynched, Donald Trump explains his-self by saying that he meant that the doctors who would provide abortion should be sanctionned. The idea is still the same but it is more politically right to say that in this way.

In my opinion Donald Trump stays a dangerous candidat for the chair of the United-States.

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Post by Alice Chalard Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:23 pm

Hi guys,

I have just red something interesting about this "famous" because scandalous wall that Donald Trump wanna build along the mexican boundary. Actually, this idea wasn't born in Trump's mind but under the first term of Georges W. Bush. After the terrorism attack of the 11th september 2001 and because of the massive immigration of mexicans specially between 1990-2000, the 109th Congress voted to the "law of wall" with a control of the boundery with cameras and sensors. So yes Donald Trump is crazy, has no sense of human rights, of equality and politics but it's not the first time that the United-States are facing a political figure like that. We just can hope for americans and for us, global citizens, that Donal Trump will not achieve his presidential goal like Georges W. Bush.

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Post by BLAIS Antonin Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:33 pm

Hi again,

The U.S Politics : I don't have knowledge in politics and very little on the United States.

I think Miss Clinton run with the White House.

Trump don't win this election. It's the same case of Chirac and Le Pen in France in 2002. The american are not crazy and don't choose this candidate.

Seriously, I think the better candidate for win this election is Frank Underwood !

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