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Post by Admin Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:58 pm

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Post by Admin Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:00 pm

Do you think that the U.S. government apply pressure on the credit agencies to adversely (or beneficially) effect other countries at times that are in the interest of the U.S.?
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Post by Clement.denis Tue Nov 07, 2017 1:59 pm

Admin wrote:Do you think that the U.S. government apply pressure on the credit agencies to adversely (or beneficially) effect other countries at times that are in the interest of the U.S.?

It's possible but i think it's very risky for world relations in a capitalist system in which the rating have a lot of influence on investors.
How the U.S. government could do it?

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Post by Nasser Tue Nov 07, 2017 8:25 pm

In your opinion, could these rating companies still be trustworthy after the credit crisis of 2008 ?

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Post by cassandra Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:11 pm

Good subject and very good presentation. You knew how to be clear in your remarks (and that, in spite of the problem and thus wihtout visual support). Besides the role play was very interesting.

I think of it's possible, the U.S. government apply pressure on the credit agencies, given the power of the U.S and the importance these notes have in investment decisions.

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Post by Admin Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:09 am

The role play was an excellent way to explain the problem. It made the role of rating agencies very clear.
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Post by Okota Shafali Audrey Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:18 am

Admin wrote:Do you think that the U.S. government apply pressure on the credit agencies to adversely (or beneficially) effect other countries at times that are in the interest of the U.S.?
For me it's possible because it Will be profitable for them and their reputation in order to improve the exchanges between the companies

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Post by tsiry Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:55 pm

The movie "the big short" showed perfectly what happened in 2008 , there was too much overrated bonds by S&P and Moodys, the people who seen that anomaly start to sell those CDO (collaterized debt obligation) by using swap contracts (because no one would take a short on a bond in normal situation). In fact there are strong doubt about the credibility of their ratings.

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Post by noemiechaumont Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:08 pm

Hi guys, I was wondering what was the economic impact for an unrated company? Because when investing in the markets an unrated company sends back a picture of small company not very developed I feel. In this case, even though the rating agencies may not be objective when assigning a rating, it is still better for a large international company to be noticed than to not have a rating of all.

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Post by Victor L Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:30 am

Hi, you dit it well without any powerpoint so good job for that !
Do you think that as all rating agencies are American they may lack objectivity on the US debt rating or to go easier on US companies ?

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Post by Hayatt MOUNAH Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:52 pm

The role was a good way to understand the subject.
In my opinion, I think it’s possible because it is the power of the USA and makes these companies well rated

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Post by Olivier jouanneau Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:03 pm

Do you think it would benefit the economy if the agency were to close ?

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Post by thomas sauzet1 Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:39 pm

If the rating of company or other financial product is good, it will be good for the economy because all the user know the risk they take but the rating agency can be corrupt and the world economy can have big problem

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Post by guillaumborderon Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:42 pm

Admin wrote:Do you think that the U.S. government apply pressure on the credit agencies to adversely (or beneficially) effect other countries at times that are in the interest of the U.S.?

I think it's possible that government apply pressure on the credit agencies, but we can'nt prove it.

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Post by guillaumborderon Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Nasser wrote:In your opinion, could these rating companies still be trustworthy after the credit crisis of 2008 ?
I think the notation is always interesting. however, their method of remuneration should be reviewed

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Post by guillaumborderon Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:49 pm

cassandra wrote:Good subject and very good presentation. You knew how to be clear in your remarks (and that, in spite of the problem and thus wihtout visual support). Besides the role play was very interesting.

I think of it's possible, the U.S. government apply pressure on the credit agencies, given the power of the U.S and the importance these notes have in investment decisions.

thank you cassandra. To my advice it's mainly the big companies that are puting pressure on the credit agencies.

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Post by cassandra Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:12 am

guillaumborderon wrote:
cassandra wrote:Good subject and very good presentation. You knew how to be clear in your remarks (and that, in spite of the problem and thus wihtout visual support). Besides the role play was very interesting.

I think of it's possible, the U.S. government apply pressure on the credit agencies, given the power of the U.S and the importance these notes have in investment decisions.

thank you cassandra. To my advice it's mainly the big companies that are puting pressure on the credit agencies.

Yes, I agree with you. But at the same time, I think, in many cases, governments and big industries are link.

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Post by clementbiaunier Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:06 pm

Do you think , could there be birth in the near future of a global rating agency instead of having several independent?

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Post by guillaumborderon Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:18 pm

clementbiaunier wrote:Do you think , could there be birth in the near future of a global rating agency instead of having several independent?
For freedom of competition it is not possible

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Post by clementbiaunier Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:25 pm

"For freedom of competition it is not possible"

Ok, I agree with you.

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Post by guillaumborderon Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:29 pm

Olivier jouanneau wrote:Do you think it would benefit the economy if the agency were to close ?
it will not change anything, because it's not the rating agencies that created the crisis.

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Post by guillaumborderon Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:31 pm

clementbiaunier wrote:"For freedom of competition it is not possible"

Ok, I agree with you.

thx, I'm always right. Very Happy

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Post by guillaumborderon Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:35 pm

Victor L wrote:Hi, you dit it well without any powerpoint so good job for that !
Do you think that as all rating agencies are American they may lack objectivity on the US debt rating or to go easier on US companies ?
I don't think because every rating agency has a business in every country.

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Post by Damien Charlet Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:27 pm

Victor L wrote:Hi, you dit it well without any powerpoint so good job for that !
Do you think that as all rating agencies are American they may lack objectivity on the US debt rating or to go easier on US companies ?

Yes it's possible. It's the same example as a public rating agency which has to rate his own state or his companies, these notes could be suspect.

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Post by Damien Charlet Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:37 pm

noemiechaumont wrote:Hi guys, I was wondering what was the economic impact for an unrated company? Because when investing in the markets an unrated company sends back a picture of small company not very developed I feel. In this case, even though the rating agencies may not be objective when assigning a rating, it is still better for a large international company to be noticed than to not have a rating of all.
Indeed if you want to invest in an unrated company, you have to determine the risk of this company, in addition if these companies isn't rated, it's because they are too small to be rated. Often a small campany is higher risky than a bigger company.
To conclude if you are'nt rated you are consider like a small and risky company so it's hadder to find finnancing.

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