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Post by Admin Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:16 am

A more serious topic this week.

I want you to discuss the yellow Jackets (gilets jaune) and the governments actions over the last few weeks. Do you think that demonstrating is a good way to make a point? I also want you to give your views on elections in France (and the world). Will you vote at the next election? Will you research the views of politicians? What do you think of Politicians? How can the system be improved? And anything else you want to say.
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Post by Cloé Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:37 pm

About the yellow jackets. Okay, the state needs taxes to function, it is forced but for some days now and for some years, the governement and the state, I think, the state does not distribute them well enough. Because the normal social class (which normally makes a living= for exemple the smic), I think gives too much for what it earns and often do not have a lot of help and therefore pay for the low social class who they receive a lot of help and do not pay enough taxes. I think it's that the point of view of the yellow jackets. I think it would be necessary to arrange all this, better distribute the taxes and that everyone give a little according to what he earns (percentage), whether he is poor, normal or rich so that everyone continues to benefit from the system (for example like the hospital who is free) while participating economically. Yes for the next election I I will vote it is for my part mandatory even if the candidates do not tighten I can always vote white, but it's very important because I would at least share my voice. Besides, many people are fighting to allow women to vote so I think it’s normal to go to vote to honour them and show our commitment in the country.

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Post by Emma Goichon Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:42 pm

I think that the movement of yellow jackets represents the big flush of society. There is so much reason, to fight, to revolt. The thing that I find unfortunate is that, you have to get to such a point for people to wake up. I find it good that there is no spokesperson because people come out of their silence and begins to re-learn to speak, their words become more and more constructed and interesting. I think that for the situation to evolve there must be a questioning of our government, it is necessary that our politicians stop veiling the face, and create taxes but taxes that are imbued with a a mark of respect, of a certain form of recognition of each sector, each social class, and therefore of harmonious, balanced taxes. We must learn to communicate, to interchange our ideas in order to have a government in our image, which is attentive to its polulation, which reflects it. Regarding the vote, yes I would vote, people fought for that right, so invest yourself, get involved in our society at our level. But for that we must be informed, keep an open mind at all possible ideas, which seems to us the most just, weigh the pros and cons ; And if have does not agree have can always vote blank.

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Post by lucas dollo Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:57 pm

"democracy is decided who will decide for you" it's the best sentence to describe the democracy and the french system
"Those who make the laws live above them" and this sentence describe very well the french politics
about the yellows jackets , it had to happen it's , among other , the consequences of both sentences previous. the problem it's the discrediting of the movement by incident or peoples not engaged .
to finish as I started i say:"maybe if these people would look a little like you would go voted" thanks nekfeu ..

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Post by Hugo Seugnet Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:42 pm

I think that the demonstration is a good thing because the fact of being able to express one's discontent is not possible in all the countries. I agree with the protesters, but against any form of violence. I think the government did not do the right thing, they should not have hid, but show that they listened to the claims. the yellow jackets blocked the people rather than the government and it's one of the sources of conflict.

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Post by AxelQuantin Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:36 pm

The actions of the yellow jackets are good because they explains their discontent in their lives and how the government reacted. But violence and blockages are not the right way to be heard because there is the population that is affected and not the government.
The reactions of the government is very dissapointing because the proposed reforms do not change great things in everyday life of the population and are arrived very late.

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Post by emma bony Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:03 pm

For me the yellow jackets are absolutely right to conduct their fights as they do. Indeed, the government puts many things in pplace without seeing the somtimes négative conséquences. For example, the rising fuel that is a constraint for everyone I hink. People are showing their displeasure by gathering in Paris. I found very well that even people who earn enough their life are moving in order to support tis movement. I condemn, of course, the violence on both sides by the police and the rioters. And I don't find it normal for people to die by protesting for their rights. Moreover even if the blockages on the roundabouts have enervated us much they are right because they revolt also for us.

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Post by Joris Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:02 pm

Hi everybody ! This week we have to discuss the yellow Jackets and the governments actions over the last few weeks.
As far as I am concerned, I think that yellow jackets are both a good and a bad thing. On the one hand, it is good that the people can make their demands heard and that they can show that their standard of living is not correct. The purchasing power of some French people is clearly insufficient, and inequalities are increasing over time, so it is good to remind the government, through its manifestations, that we are a nation based on three principles: Freedom, EQUALITY, fraternity.
But on the other hand, I am absolutely against all these excesses in recent weeks, it is not normal to have such clashes. So for me this movement should have stopped when the president decided to put in place new measures to address the grievances, and when the "Grand Debat" was proposed. Because this has overflowed and many unnecessary violence has occurred from some people who are nothing like an ordinary yellow vest!
So I think that demonstrating CAN be a good way to make a point.
Sure I will vote at the next election, and yes I will research the views of politicians, because I've been interested in politics since I was a kid. I think that Politicians are not all good persons, but even if some of them are bad, you shouldn't generalize.
The system can be improved, if the people had even more say in political decisions, perhaps by using referendums more often for example !
See you tomorrow Very Happy

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Post by BIRAGHI Ugo Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:35 pm

The subject on the yellow vests is a topical subject. Their claiming is for the most part of people understood but their manners to make annoy everybody because they block everybody and for the everyday lives of people it is very difficult for their jobs and others. While the politics do not make big things and act not necessarily to calm all this. Even if the president heard their claiming and even if he made so that that arranges, the yellow vests are always dissatisfied and act in the same way.

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Post by Mathéo OLRY Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:38 pm

The subject on the yellow vests is a topical subject. Their claiming is for the most part of people understood but their manners to make annoy everybody because they block everybody and for the everyday lives(daily papers) of people it is very difficult for their jobs and others. While the politics do not make big things and act not necessarily to calm all this. Even if the president heard their claiming and even if he made so that that arranges, the yellow vests are always dissatisfied and act in the same way.

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Post by Hugo Daunas Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:22 pm

The yellow jacket movement is a very sensitive subject because of overflowing between protesters and the government. I think that the claims of the population are very importante and i'm agree with it. But the real problem right now are overflowing in particular with the vandals. It is very difficult for the government to manage this discord and to make so that the people are satisfied. Yellow jackets are only asking the resignation of the président Macron.

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Post by GAILLARD Marin Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:58 pm

Yellow jackets... good ideas, but such a bad way to share them. Block people who want to go to work or on holiday etc.. So i hate them, since a sunday at 10PM i got blocked. After the election in France, to me, it seems important. I have voted for the last one and i will also vote for the next one. How the system can be improved ?.. I will not be here if i was answers PS: Happy birthday Lucas Dollo

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Post by Nathan Raveraud Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:05 pm

I have not really on opinion for the yellow jackets. I think they fight for the good cause but sometimes they go a litle bit far, for exemple in Paris. But I also agree that if there is no violence the gouvernement will not act and etc... I don't no if the democratie is good or not i'm not interest in politics and I don't have an political advia. I don't know if I will vote for the next election maybe I will be me interested in politic in the future.

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Post by ferchaud flavien Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:19 pm

For me vests yellow bring an opinion public, it can be good because it shows the freedom of expression. But later, it is not necessarily very useful, there would be more explicit and more advantageous ways(means). Furthermore, the events of lately we certainly were useful, but one caused many problems and And we disturbed the population what was understandable over the beginning but afterward it became an inconvenience

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Post by Christian FLANNERY Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:29 pm

I get why some people are angry about the taxes beacause it affects a big portion of the population ! But... the way they are going about it is completly wrong... The "Gillet jaunes" are causing chaos all around France. They are provoquing the police and were blocking random people for a few months. Now I do believe there needs to be changes for the profit of everyone as the prices are inflating more and more...
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Post by LucasWDM Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:38 pm

The "gilet jaunes"...The perfect exemple of french way of thinking. Not going to work and complaining about not earning enough money...but spend 1000€ on a Smartphone..to write on social medias that everything is too expensive..

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Post by Admin Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:44 am

Mathéo OLRY wrote:The subject on the yellow vests is a topical subject. Their claiming is for the most part of people understood but their manners to make annoy everybody because they block everybody and for the everyday lives(daily papers) of people it is very difficult for their jobs and others. While the politics do not make big things and act not necessarily to calm all this. Even if the president heard their claiming and even if he made so that that arranges, the yellow vests are always dissatisfied and act in the same way.

That's exactly the same text as Ugo.
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Post by Pierre CORAZZA Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:55 am

I'm doing the topic a quit late, because I just forget to do this before, and also I didn't really had time to.

I'm with the moves of Yellow Jackets, they are doing this for us, to make the future better, but when it distrub me to my job and my university work it make me really mad. At the begining they were acting like moron, idiot, but now they used their little brain and acte for the most of them brainfully.
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Post by Romann Dieumegard Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:15 pm

Hi , I think the movement of " yellow jacket" by spin ,everyone gives is dissatisfaction which makes it a movement with ambiguous ideas and hate movements that rise with the influence of social networks I respect their courage to demonstrate and invest themselves but I think that many follow the movement like sheep while the most pars do not know politics or little and clearly there are ideas that go up to the head and they do not know the real intentions of the events for example c an easy criticism that I do not know not politics more than they haha.

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