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Post by wang xinwen Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:58 pm

As we know,European migrant crises arose in this year,in fact ,it concerns two crises--migrant crises in Europe,conflict and refugee crises in other countries.So, it is a hard problem and will last for a time.If European countries simply accept or refuse them,they can't cope with it well.We should create a new system to relocate and resettle asylum seekers ,that is the key to solution.

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Post by wang xinwen Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:59 pm

As we know,European migrant crises arose in this year,in fact ,it concerns two crises--migrant crises in Europe,conflict and refugee crises in other countries.So, it is a hard problem and will last for a time.If European countries simply accept or refuse them,they can't cope with it well.We should create a new system to relocate and resettle asylum seekers ,that is the key to solution.

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Post by CHANG ZHANG Mon Sep 28, 2015 11:05 pm


The situation now is tricky for some countries who want to receive those refugees or those who are already received the refugees.
On the one hand, as the countries can’t settle down well all the refugees, some refugees were hurt during the disturbance to express their unsatisfied, which cause great distress for the local people.

On the other hand, experienced nearly six years of euro crisis, sluggish recovery in the economy particularly consumer demand, deflation, high unemployment and high public debt, this lead to some of the local people in Europeans countries not willing to accept the refugees.

In my opinion, not only the Europeans countries but other countries like China, USA, Japen etc. have the responsibility to help the refugees. As a refugee, also should understand the difficulties of receiving countries, instead of taking unreasonable or do something that cause trouble to others.

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Post by Hanane Lemrabott Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:02 pm

I think it is very difficult to find a solution for this subject nor it is easy to have an opinion.
These refugees are fleeing war. Wether they are welcomed in safe countries in Middle East, Africa, or Europe, the situation will still be better than their homeland. The problem is the incapacity or the unwillingness of some countries to welcome them. The common sense suggests that the nearer countries accept the refugees, but those don't seem to agree. Only Lebanon and Turkey for exemple welcomed Syrian refugees and they are still in camps. This may be the reason why some refugees choose to take the risk and search asylum in farther countries, like Europe. They saw how other refugees where living in camps for years in bad conditions, without education (even if some Turkey camps provide schools for children, but not all do). The future of these people is uncertain. How will they reintegrate normal and professional life if the war stops and they haven't went to school for 4,5,6 or more years ?
Countries are just fighting on which will welcome the least refugees, or for whom it will be profitable to have them. I think, since no one has managed yet to find a solution for the political crises, the countries (in Africa, Europe or any place in the world) who are capable to welcome the refugees should do it and find a solution to make it a win-win situation. For the ones concerned about the preservation of the original identity of their country, they should probably know by now, that we are living in a globalized world where an Indian can live in the USA, a French in Senegal or a Polish in Lebanon. Everyone can move wherever they wish to without loosing their identity nor changing the others'.

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Post by Gabriel Jeanneau Tue Sep 29, 2015 3:34 pm

As most of us ailready agreed, the european countries have to receive all these refugies that need urgent help. and as we know mignrants can't and don't want to go to contries like USA or China, but to me these counties have to participate to this internationals help movement, maybe the could help financialy the countries whom receive migrants . In an other hand I think that we realy sould global european allocation system for the migrants, so the receive a financial help adapt to the livestyle of their host country.
Also the worst way to handle this is to pack the migrants in camps, we realy need to keep the basic human right strait and the best way to do that is to dispatch them all over europe.
If we do the right thing we won't have to face any major cultural sock.
It is also true that we really need to fight agains Daehs witch is getting more powerfull everyday, but the priority is to protect the populations.
It is a tricky situation from all the points of view and I'm sure it may worsen in the month to come, that why we need to help the migrant as good as we can and fight ISIS to nip the problem in the bud.

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Post by Bouras valentin Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:48 pm

Good evening everybody ! I find this very interesting question because it is at the heart of the news at the moment. Being for or against the arrival of migrants in Europe or even been in our own country is an issue that animates the debate. For my part, I think we can not make such a definitive answer. Thousands of people flood to the different European countries to escape war, but also for economic reasons. As for me, I think we should first distinguish political refugees from the economic refugees. Indeed, many refugees come in various European countries including France, because they think that we can offer them a much better life than in their own country, then yes it will always be on, but can we really their offer what they expect? From my point of view I do not think, because Europe suffers the impacts of the economic crisis, unemployment is high and growth is very difficult to leave, and therefore does not at present provide enough jobs for the inhabitants of the host countries.
Furthermore, I think we should also try as best politicians can, to regulate these migratory flows. Indeed, if there are too many migrants, countries can not develop the facilities to their arrival, as the establishment of migrant reception center, housing at their disposal, food etc ...
Finally, I think the solution lies in being able to implement a real control on the origin of the refugees and their intentions by coming within Europe. We could also reactivate the refugee of war. These tragedies remind us that the European Union urgently needs to overhaul its migration and asylum system, but also requires an effective division today and in the future migrants. This will only be possible if Europe makes decisions collectively and not individually. So for me, I think we must accept refugees but under certain conditions.
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Post by Jade Candela Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:19 pm

Hi everybody,
About the question of immigration, first I would say that it was sure this would happen. Looking at how the war was evolving in Middel East, nothing else could happen. That's why I think it's sad we didn't prepare for this before.
Now it's happening, I think all countries of EU should receive some refugees. Maybe USA and other "rich" countries should give some money to help EU to receive the refugees or maybe they should host some of them as well.
Second, to me hosting the refugees would be easyer if we had more charity organisations. It's the case in USA where lots of people are part of an association. But it's not realy in our culture in France and maybe in Europe. I think it's ashame because we could all help  by giving them some spare clothes, food, toyes or even to teach them french or whatever. I think we all have something to learn from them and to share with them. Maybe my point of view is a bit too idyllique but I realy think it's even good for our economic growth. In fact it has been proved that in companies, teams with people from different cultures were often more eficient than team with poeple from the same culture.
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Post by Graziella Meunier Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:22 am

I think it's hard to good answer at migrants question because we can see things differently...

Firstly, European countries has moral obligation to be host territory. If there is a war in one of the European countries, this one would like other foreign countries help itself. So, the situation is actually the same for migrants. We can't leave their because if they stay in our country, they probably will die. It's why refugees open up every scop of possibilities to survive.
But, migrants crowd has a big consequence in economy of European countries. Most of the time, refugees come in our country but they have bad qualifications. So, they can't work (or if they work, it's just job with low skills) and this phenomenon pull up the joblessness curve. This fact is a brake for economic growth.
It's why I think the better solution is directly help migrants in their countries. It means Europeans countries can give armed forces to contribute stop war. If all countries are together to fight against terrorist movements, they will be more strong to win. The only failing is to cause a probably third world war and governments of different European countries are affraid about that.

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Post by BALDE Mamadou bobo Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:47 am

Hi!
I am always shocked to see that the twentieth century, in a modern and civilized world men, women and children run away the war.
if I see innocent children pay for mistakes of the leaders I have an amotion of desolation and sadness.
The solution is peace. For peace to be, everyone must take responsibility. We must finally understand that no one can decide who or how an independent nation should be governed. Only the majority of citizens can choose. The stability of each country depends on that of others ; then strive in unity, avoid the chaos.
The massive migration to Europe has negative consequences . in the short term. For sending countries the negative are brain drain and labor also a decline in consumption. And the host country the negative are sense of social disorder and insecurity, risk of inflation and rising insecurity, cultural conflict.
In the long term it is positive for the country of departure, we are probable brain gain, funds transfer. The host country, the positive are cultural contribution, new labor force and feeling a haven in light of other countries.
Thank you for the opportunity.

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Post by Zuzana Ovčiariková Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:50 am

We all know that it is really hard to deal with the problem of refugees.
It's important to help them, but ist the right long term solution?
In my opinion, it's good that Slovakia refuses to accept refugees, because now it is clear that majority of people (nearly 60%) running from their homeland who ask for asylum in Slovakia are not from countries were is a war, they just try to use the situation to obtain social support. We have a lot of gipsies in Slovakia who just do nothing but wait for social support of state. Do we really need other people to pay for nothing? Also we are the last country in Europe which doesn't have mosque. We really try to protect our cultural heritage and religion.
There is also another problem. Could we really help in the future to other refugees, if there will be a war or another hard situation? We can't accept refugees forever. So it is just a temporary solution. We absolutely have to try to find another solution. Another way how to help them..

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Post by Vairon Flavien Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:29 am

I think we can see the migrant question with different point of vue : Ethical / Political / Economical...

If we heard the anti-migrant, the ethical point of vu is not sufficient and they are regulary talcking about the cost to host migrant....

Many economist spoke about this question of miration. And they have this reasoning : We know that in Europe, the population is aging thanks to medical progress and beter life conditions than 50 years ago. This progress is creating a probleme : If we have more and more elderly person ( who can't work) than young peapole ( able to work ), Who will pay the pension of eldery person ? It's the case in particular in germany where the adverage of the population age is growing years after years and could be an obstacle for the german economy.
The second report of the economist is : The migrant have the caracteristique to be young.
So the answer of many economist is : We have, with migrant the opportunity to make younger our population, and find answer to our population ageing, find a new "labour force" who are ready to participate to the progres of our continent.



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Post by Romain Muzzolini Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:40 am

Hi everyone Very Happy

In my opinion, the flow of migrants who come currently in Europe is difficult to describe.

In one hand, it’s a kind of dangerous because, even if the several governments of the Europeans countries are powerful or well organizing, some doubt exist ! Indeed, currently all media try to convince us that this massive movement of population is on control. But the fact is that this situation is really difficult to get under control for our country. Because, all the government have to face an emergency situation. Indeed every days, more than thousand people arrived in Europe, and the most frightening thing is the rapidity at witch they arrived.
Moreover, the capacity of our countries is not expandable. All migrants are checked at their arrived in Italy, in France or in Germany. All this, because of the Schengen zone. They have to be careful about this. Indeed, once entered in the European space, the migrants can move were they want in the Schengen zone. Thus, it’s difficult to allocate people in a certain zone. They come to look for freedom and we say “you have not the right to move”. It’s not fair. Besides, there is several problem due to the rise of racist acts witch has been registered for example in the north-east of Germany where there is several attacks on asylum accommodation.
I mean, we cannot promise a new life, and born hope in the migrants’ heart if we are not able to take care of them!

In other hand, I follow some people who say that it’s a duty to host the asylum seekers, and the other who say that it could be a good contribution in our economic. Indeed, they represent an important workforce, and they can be benefits for our society. For example, a part of the Germany economic provides from the migrants intervention in society. In that case, we can talk about exchanges between several cultures. Nevertheless we are afraid about lost our job, our security or our right. But the question is: Are we enough open-minded to allow these other civilization to shake up our life?

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Post by Alexandra-Cristina IONITA Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:35 am

I think that the migration took us by surprise. Yes, this is chaotic. Yes, a lot of them want to go to Germany and it's very difficult to manage such a lot of people. But if I would be an immigrant because of a war and because this is the only way to save my life, what should I do? I try to think at myself as an immigrant. In this point of view I'm thinking I will choose to go where I heard that me and my family will be protected. How could I stay in a place where I know that I'll die sooner or later? If we were in their shoes we would wait to be accepted by other countries, I suppose. We need to help them as much as we can! Let's give them a little bit of comprehension. Maybe we will be surprised again by a lot of innovations immigrants could bring (as they did in USA). Maybe I'm too naive, but the life of the other one is priceless for me.

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Post by K.Pellé Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:49 am

Hi everyone, write a little bit late but, I hope it's not too late. Wink
This topic is very interessting because of it recent emergance and the fact that it concerns people who try to save their life. Today in France, people have in general no problems with the reception of migrants from Syria and Irak, but some people confound migrants who come because of war and other migrants who comes because of money. The critics of these people are concentrated in the fact that this is the governement, actually not popular, that take the decisions about migrants, so this is obviously not a good idea. But I think that taking care of migrants who escape war and terrorism is not a socialist idea, but this is only humanism.
The other fact is that our law allow them to ask a political asylum, so we can't deny laws that we votes years and years ago.
The only real problem in this situation, is the attitude of others EU countries. I hope this organisation of the European Union could be more powerful and influent in the wordl, but this situation, where you have countries who don't want to receipt migrants and others who will have to receipt all of them, shows the difficulty of the EU to speak with a common voice. It will be a problem soon for others topics as important as this one about the migrants.

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Post by Tsiry A. Rakotomanana Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:34 pm

I think that the european country which have a high economic potential can take in charge the refugee just during the war and not to give them the asylum which is valid for 10 years, because it's not realistic to think that syrian war and the daesh conflict lasts 10 years, the europen governments should put the refugees in camp where they can be controled to avoid vandalism and evasion because they arrive in europe without money or very little, so it's not enough to start a new life even if governements offer aids, and they may incite to theft to gain more. the big problematic is to know if all the refugees come to europe for asylum or there's is some who have terrorist plan and try to blend into the mass of people, that's why european should install them in checkable place and securised.

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Post by thomas sauzet1 Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:51 pm

I think european country can help refugee but we need a collective effort and we cant just give refugee to France Germany or England . We cant know if they want to return in their ountry after the war but now they can die everytime and everywhere . If we are really develloped country , we have to help him

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Post by Mathilde Rigagneau Wed Sep 30, 2015 8:17 pm

I think the situation in Europe with the influx of refugees was always complex, and increasingly it is the last time. We must to welcome these people and their granted asylum, it's part of our fundamental principles.
Their situation is often terrible, they must pay very expensive smugglers, sometimes risking their own lives. Only among these hundreds of thousands of people, the terrorist organizations have recently "boasted" of having sent people to anticipate attacks.It's therefore not surprising that some countries, and some people feel fear, a fear that they "bring the war with them." Migrants for them Western Europe corresponds to an idea of ​​better life, our economic system to great advantage, we welcome them to the extent possible, but the conditions aren't optimal. Although we still have a lot of improvement.  "3" countries can't accommodate all the warring peoples of misery and even with all possible finance assistance. This is good for the economy, but the financial balance of France is already unstable, Italy is clogged, and the countries of eastern reject for most migrants. It would found a balance, and mostly sent more help in the warring countries, to help those who unfortunately don't have the means to pay this journey towards the European Union.
Finally I therefore think that the solution to this crisis isn't obvious to find.

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Post by Léa martineau Thu Oct 01, 2015 10:37 am

We can study the migrant's question by various angles. from a point of view economic, it has been proven that the arrival of migrants was a source of growth. from a point of view cultural, the question is debated. I think that we shouldn't look this migrant wave like an invasion. We welcome families who leaking the war. Among them, there is children to whom we can't ask to fight. They don't want to distort our culture. They just want to put their children in safe and have money to feed. And we are abble to give us that.

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Post by Suzanne Zhou Thu Oct 01, 2015 6:36 pm

If we take the point of view of a refugee, the first condition to move into another country is the security. They escape from war, from their ennemies, they want to be away from it. They probably leave France to Germany due to this condition. With the attacks in France and the number of jihadists into the territory, they are afraid from it or it's just a question about prejudice. They want to leave into a peaceful place to guarantee their lives.
After, it's the problem of integration. The language barrier, culture barrier and the rest, the welcoming countries will take care about it. Accept refugees also means take the responsability of them.
Then, there is a question about the welcoming country image. More refugees they have means that this country is the best place for them. The refugees are influenced and follow the track. But having too many refugees in only one country is dangerous, it's better to separate them and not to concentrate in just one place.
Yes, why not accept refugees in all countries but, the problem is here. In the group of refugees, maybe some refugees can be spies. With the status of refugee, you can go wherever you want and sow disaster in the welcoming country. It's unbelievable but possible. So we can understand that some countries are taking steps and limit the number of refugees in the country.
We can understand that a few number of countries don't accept refugees. It depends on their own security. If they accept it, they will be involve in the refugees' country conflict. These countries want to be away from this situation and keep themselves safe.
Here, is all I have to say.

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Post by Ornella Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:33 am

At the moment the situation of migrants to Europe is complicated. They are not safe in their country because of war or poverty and are therefore attracted to Europe represents for them the hope of a quieter life. They are therefore thousands to flee their country but the means to emigrate are poor and many of them die at sea. For those who manage to reach Europe, it is a disappointment because they do not take care of, still live in poverty, are rejected by society that installs a climate of tension between French and migrants. I feel a great injustice and vis-à-vis our governments angry because they do not in my view everything in their power so that everything goes well. First of all we should intervene at the base of the problem, send troops to the soil to help the migrants directly to their country and protect them. Then you should install structures that support these migrants and help them find a solution because leaving indulge in themselves, it is the hatred that grows and not the mixture of cultures that could be so interesting and beautiful. But with the recent events, including the death of little 3 year boy on the beach he emblerais Turkish governments finally mobilize. Economically this is not necessarily good because look after them necessarily generates expenses, but the money is easier than health or happiness.

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Post by Okota Shafali Audrey Mon Oct 05, 2015 4:57 pm

I also think that it is not bad to look to an economic, social or other point of view to handle the question of the refugees in Europe. But above all, we have for obligation to favor the human aspect of the problem! These people never asked for anything, for years they have been victims of civil war which extends over out to political aspects and make an enormous deaths continually (approximately 150 000 all in all). I think that if that had been France, Germany or another dominant country in this kind of situation, the international community would have already been alerted in order to remedy to problem. Then countries would show solidarity, no matter the country in trouble, in a solidarity regardless of the country in trouble due to the fact that Europe stands for the respect of human rights and peace in the world.
So let us put ourselves in the stead of these people who have lost everything and are completly discouraged to the point of taking enormous risks in crossing borders, in hope to find a particular help in europe. At first, it is necessary to receive them, then to take measures to settle their country situation. What begins to be concrete …


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Post by ROSSARD Rachel Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:58 pm

Well having read all the notices and the ideas of every person, I think that many subjects were treated. It is necessary to admit that to pass in the last ones to express its opinion is not simple, indeed, not to repeat what was already said is difficult.
Nevertheless, I wish to underline the positive aspect of refugee's load at the economic level. I specify that this observation is very schematic, and concentrates only at the level of France. I was able to notice that in our country, there are not only the refugees / immigrants who take advantage of financial supports brought by our economic policies, many French know how to take advantage of it. Thus, by deduction we could welcome some refugees, (I do not propose all them take refuge, but only a part), the latter would not engender us more expense except their housing than the one that we make today. Furthermore, in France we have some employment, but the latter are menial and very physical. Indeed, we notice that French make more and more studies to avoid these jobs, so, this job offer could be filled by the refugees. Thus, they would take advantage of an employment! And even to push the idea farther they would be hired to offer the hand of work to the construction of their housing. But for it, every refugee will have to bring the proof that they are used well under constraint of departures.
In conclusion, economically, the arrival of the refugees would allow to fill the lack of hand of work little to qualify in France (but especially for the very difficult jobs). Furthermore, they would contribute to the help for the pensions, as well as to a strong economic growth, with more consumption, and more contribution to the production.
I conceive that this analysis is very schematic and deprived of feelings for the refugees who know a situation complicated. Nevertheless, rather than tell me that the fact of welcoming them will be for us a disadvantage I prefer to look for the positive points.


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Post by BLAIS Antonin Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:48 pm

Migrants ! Imposing debate, actually !

I believe that Europe must welcome migrants. Firstly, because Europe has the capacity to welcome a portion of migrants and share migrants on his ground. According area and the reception capacity of each country. France and Europe are proclamated declared like "Land of welcome" themselves. So, I don't understand why east countries block their borders becasue they are just a passage area to the west countries for migrants.

Secondly, migrants come to countries at war. If I am in the same situation, I will be happy if a country welcome me to the end of conflict.

Finally, I think taht's normally to welcome migrants. Moreover, this welcome climb the divresity of France and Europe.

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Post by Antoine Olivier Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:25 pm

First of all, I don't think that Europe will find a solution on the short time...
Indeed, the very fast migration of the migrants and the refugees surprised the European whereas all the european knew the situation in this countries (war...). This migration divides, one more time, Europe with countries of welcome which are very far and countries nearby which refuse. The debate is so important that the decision is crucial. However Germany which appears as the "hero" of this situation can't all organize for the migrants.

For France, the decision also divides the population which would at first want to take care of our "SDF" rather than of other migrants. While some people want to welcome. Nevertheless, the migrants are in their rights because they try simply to live and no to undergo these horrors...

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Post by Damien Charlet Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:28 pm

I think the reception of refugees in France and Europe is no longer the main issue since the European countries have already begun to accommodate what seems very normal because of existing conflicts.

I think the important question is how to accommodate, if this conflict persists indefinitely, may we welcome these migrants by offering them housing, food and care?

We must, reflect in the long term and resolve these conflicts because Europe will struggle to accommodate as many migrant especially if some countries opposed.

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